tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post3402715490281279854..comments2024-03-04T00:50:02.182-08:00Comments on KeithGiles.com: LEADER OR PASTOR?Keith Gileshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00328300571647154699noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-64626610075141225782014-01-28T09:42:03.103-08:002014-01-28T09:42:03.103-08:00Love the thoughts expressed here and I agree but ...Love the thoughts expressed here and I agree but would add that we (pastors) lead best by caring for the people we are entrusted to by the Father.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07866639097998917122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-70068352376977179442013-02-04T13:52:07.270-08:002013-02-04T13:52:07.270-08:00pastor Dave might find himself leading people who ...pastor Dave might find himself leading people who would not be led by Jesus? He might even feel some pride as a leader of a few people whom the Spirit of God wasn't leading?<br />To the glory of God, Dave (with the rest of us) best not gain a following as leaders do. <i>follow along with me only as I follow Christ.</i>Marshallhttp://bmd.worthyhouse.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-27049145753499727862013-02-02T13:52:55.172-08:002013-02-02T13:52:55.172-08:00Two things on hearing God:
One, we are fellow-wor...Two things on hearing God:<br /><br />One, we are fellow-workers with Christ 1 Corinthians 3:9. He may choose to speak through us. In fact, he has, and there are some good examples in Scripture. Cornelius and Paul come to mind.<br /><br />Two, Jesus said all authority has been given to me "therefore go, and teach, and baptize." While we should never compel anyone to come to us, we must always be ready for when they do.<br /><br />Practically speaking, it seems that whenever I've done a "how to hear Jesus" lesson or the like, it's always morphed into a "how not to hear other voices." <br /><br />Which comes right back to your point. Leading them to Jesus Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00127896491196953382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-84141829474430596472013-02-02T13:20:54.417-08:002013-02-02T13:20:54.417-08:00Miguel: I only mean that we should encourage peopl...Miguel: I only mean that we should encourage people to go to Jesus and not to come to us. So, we encourage them to pray and to seek the scriptures for wisdom and to listen for the voice of Jesus instead of allowing us to be their guru.<br /><br />How do you see it?Keith Gileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00328300571647154699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-22181450231456902042013-02-02T12:30:30.099-08:002013-02-02T12:30:30.099-08:00Hey Brother,
Good post. Question though:
What d...Hey Brother,<br /><br />Good post. Question though:<br /><br />What does "teach them to hear the voice of the One, True, Good Shepherd," look like to you? <br /><br />If Jesus sheep hear his voice, then do we have to teach them to hear it? <br /><br />Not being snarky... just very interested in your take. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00127896491196953382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-35026004182412822332013-01-31T14:42:14.670-08:002013-01-31T14:42:14.670-08:00Thanks so much for this. I'm sharing it!Thanks so much for this. I'm sharing it!Morgan Guytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14325942871813477553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-15222311719960607492013-01-31T06:50:59.775-08:002013-01-31T06:50:59.775-08:00Justin, I agree with you that a good leader is one...Justin, I agree with you that a good leader is one who serves others. I don't think that's the issue. The problem comes when we accept the world's idea of leadership and the pastor becomes the CEO of Church Inc. That model of leadership is what Jesus spoke against in Matthew 20.Fred Shopehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05993039629949819266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-51721147958303019582013-01-31T06:38:50.662-08:002013-01-31T06:38:50.662-08:00Justin Boothby - I loved this article and I know y...Justin Boothby - I loved this article and I know you were disliking the article, but I still want to say that I disagree with you. Now don't jump to conclusions... I'm not one of those guys who has never considered leadership - in fact I've read probably a hundred books on leadership including everything that John Maxwell has written and nearly everything my favorite business author has written - Patrick Lencioni ( I don't know if I spelled that right or not ) Anyway - I disagree because balance is what you called for and I'm arguing that you have to be intentionally totally out of balance toward ministering and love and relationships to the point that it appears that you don't give a rip about the ABC's (attendance, buildings, and cash) in order to be a genuine minister. I don't even use the term pastor because it is so corrupted today. <br /><br />But I want to be the kind of pastor this article is speaking of. Josh McDowellhttp://www.aplacetotalk.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-85890169377413348222013-01-31T05:18:36.377-08:002013-01-31T05:18:36.377-08:00Enig!
Enig!<br />Ingalillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06446952691836769424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-82863585595960659802013-01-31T02:09:12.164-08:002013-01-31T02:09:12.164-08:00One of the major issues is that we expect professi...One of the major issues is that we expect professional management on church life. And we set ourselves up to <i>need</i> professional management.<br /><br />That idea comes from the world of government and business, not from Jesus. Tell me where in the New Testament I can find any hint of 'professional' about church structure or function.<br /><br />Because we meet in large groups and need a building and have programmes and budgets to manage, we need managers.<br /><br />If we did what Jesus told us to do we wouldn't need paid managers at all. We only need them because of what we have added to what Jesus taught us.Chris Jefferieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07024046243018838005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-10352137361783102732013-01-30T22:37:55.107-08:002013-01-30T22:37:55.107-08:00I'm taking both a Spiritual Leadership and Fou...I'm taking both a Spiritual Leadership and Foundations for Ministry Coaching class right now in seminary. I think what you're saying is right, but I also think there is a way to balance both; to be a good leader and pastor. I agree 100% that we have redefined and misused the term "pastor" to fit our "Americanized" concept. But I think a great leader "is" one who serves others. Ministry Coaching teaches us to serve others, let them think for themselves, and simply just come along side in a relational way...the Jesus model. Maybe I read wrong, but I wouldn't get too caught thinking a leader and pastor are mutually exclusive terms. Other than that, I think this blog serves a huge purpose in helping us regain the true term for pastor.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13936094266924202460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9926207.post-68327604705769797592013-01-30T21:46:45.870-08:002013-01-30T21:46:45.870-08:00Are there any pastors there you respect as good Sh...Are there any pastors there you respect as good Sheppard's?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com